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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 30 Mar 2015 16:51 #61

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No problem Pitou.

It's my pleasure

Good Speed
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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 03 Avr 2015 17:30 #62

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Voici le classement non définitif du Mexique, car les temps des 2 premiers ne sont pas crédibles. De tels taux d'attaque en dés orange et des temps si bas pour 2 joueurs qui plus est me semble totalement impossible. Il y a erreur de parcours ou de règle. 3:26 d'écart avec le troisième traduit un problème. Donc je demande aux intéressés de soit me donner des temps crédibles ou d'être disqualifiés.

Here is non final classification because times for 2 leaders are non feasible. This is impossible to realise these time with orange dice and with more 100% time attack on so long stages, on complete rally ... for 2 drivers !
So Bandit and Ptolomy please check your road book there is probably a mistake : but I advertised you on first stage, I can't do that every time, please be carefull with roads and rules. A gap 3:26 between 2nd and 3rd shows a problem. Please tell me what I have to do : wainting 1 day for credibles times after you found the mistake or disqualification ? Thank you for your understanding, it is very important to keep fair play here.


GB team : did you really use Asphalte (= tarmac) tires ? ;)

Fridrich est donc à 2 doigts de sa première victoire il me semble ? Bonne soirée à tous.

1 Bandit Icy Canuks Canada 06:33 08:16 14:49
2 Ptolemy Icy Canuks Canada 06:49 08:06 14:55
3 fridrich Moselle Team France 09:17 08:58 18:15
4 Cammat Asphalt04 France 08:23 10:26 18:49
5 Alex Stein Stein Racing France 08:28 10:23 18:51
6 Provence Two French Boys France/USA 09:14 09:48 19:02
7 tondakolik Ant Racing Czech Republic 08:18 10:45 19:03
8 The Tiger Moselle Team 08:30 11:03 19:33
9 Pat Stein Stein Racing France 09:31 10:03 19:34
10 maribricole mrc picatio Françe loire 09:50 09:45 19:35
11 petijony team gas-gas España 10:40 09:03 19:43
12 Escri Team gas-gas España 10:13 09:34 19:47
13 FMP_thE_mAd CanardPC Racing France 10:09 09:43 19:52
14 birdy toujours sans france 09:05 11:03 20:08
15 wrc3rallyman Moselle Team France 08:54 11:22 20:16
16 Rekka CanardPC Racing France 10:03 10:19 20:22
17 Johnbc England 10:05 10:30 20:35
18 Allison Icy Canuks Canada 07:09 13:31 20:40
19 Dawk Team gas-gas España 11:03 09:48 20:51
20 titipoui youpititeam 10:28 10:24 20:52
21 Cocotte Forez_Team France 42 09:44 11:14 20:58
22 Enzoferrari Moselle Team 09:36 11:37 21:13
23 pitou mrc picatio Françe loire 09:28 11:48 21:16
24 rogerlebanni CanardPC Racing France 10:05 11:23 21:28
25 Kiddo PTS Lille France 10:03 11:28 21:31
26 jygro MEW Racing United States 10:33 11:09 21:42
27 jcbouvier PTS Lille France 10:20 12:35 22:55
28 jiel mrc picatio Françe loire 11:34 12:19 23:53
29 éddie mrc picatio Françe loire 11:53 12:04 23:57
30 Rom's Forez Team france 09:40 14:33 24:13
31 Matvala Moselle Team France 11:02 13:42 24:44
31 JEWSH RCC GB 11:10 13:34 24:44
33 LAUDY RCC GB 12:15 12:41 24:56
34 DEE RCC GB 12:02 13:04 25:06
35 dYnkYn CanardPC Racing Suisse 15:58 09:52 25:50
36 CROCK RCC GB 12:41 13:53 26:34
37 FROGGY RCC GB 13:30 13:07 26:37
38 masterdragon Icy Canuks Canada 10:37 17:53 28:30
#VALEUR ! gazza52 France 09:54 ABANDON ABANDON
#VALEUR ! Haplo92 France 10:37 ABANDON ABANDON
#VALEUR ! Koski Spain 11:02 ABANDON ABANDON
#VALEUR ! Chien Fou 45-22-75 occitania 11:30 ABANDON ABANDON
#VALEUR ! Plateau Solo France 16:37 ABANDON ABANDON

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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 04 Avr 2015 09:50 #63

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Super merci JC de tenir toujours ça à jour !

Punaise je suis content de mes résultats. Ma prudence dans la 2eme partie a payé finalement ! Après les crevaisons en chaine dans la première partie, je suis content :)
Mes premiers points en Mini-WRC, je suis tout ému :)
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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 06 Avr 2015 07:21 #64

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Bon sans réponse de Bandit et Ptolemy je prends la décision des disqualifier ces 2 pilotes. C'est une décision pénible car nous sommes là pour nous amuser. Mais je le fait pour l'intérêt du plus grand nombre qui comme moi doit être choqué de ces chronos. Bon rallye d'ARgentine, pensez à bien vérifier les routes, le sens de la spéciale et révisez vos règles si nécessaire !

Well without Bandit's and Ptolemy's answer I make the decision of to disqualify these 2 pilots. It is a painful decision because we are there to have fun. But I the fact for the interest of the largest number which as me must be shocked by these stopwatches. Enjoy rally of ARGENTINA, think of verifying well roads, direction of the stages and revise your rules if necessary !

Et bravo à Fridrich pour cette victoire !

1 fridrich Moselle Team France 09:17 08:58 18:15
2 Cammat Asphalt04 France 08:23 10:26 18:49
3 Alex Stein Stein Racing France 08:28 10:23 18:51
4 Provence Two French Boys France/USA 09:14 09:48 19:02
5 tondakolik Ant Racing Czech Republic 08:18 10:45 19:03
6 The Tiger Moselle Team 08:30 11:03 19:33
7 Pat Stein Stein Racing France 09:31 10:03 19:34
8 maribricole mrc picatio Françe loire 09:50 09:45 19:35
9 petijony team gas-gas España 10:40 09:03 19:43
10 Escri Team gas-gas España 10:13 09:34 19:47
11 FMP_thE_mAd CanardPC Racing France 10:09 09:43 19:52
12 birdy toujours sans france 09:05 11:03 20:08
13 wrc3rallyman Moselle Team France 08:54 11:22 20:16
14 Rekka CanardPC Racing France 10:03 10:19 20:22
15 Johnbc England 10:05 10:30 20:35
16 Allison Icy Canuks Canada 07:09 13:31 20:40
17 Dawk Team gas-gas España 11:03 09:48 20:51
18 titipoui youpititeam 10:28 10:24 20:52
19 Cocotte Forez_Team France 42 09:44 11:14 20:58
20 Enzoferrari Moselle Team 09:36 11:37 21:13
21 pitou mrc picatio Françe loire 09:28 11:48 21:16
22 rogerlebanni CanardPC Racing France 10:05 11:23 21:28
23 Kiddo PTS Lille France 10:03 11:28 21:31
24 jygro MEW Racing United States 10:33 11:09 21:42
25 jcbouvier PTS Lille France 10:20 12:35 22:55
26 jiel mrc picatio Françe loire 11:34 12:19 23:53
27 éddie mrc picatio Françe loire 11:53 12:04 23:57
28 Rom's Forez Team france 09:40 14:33 24:13
29 Matvala Moselle Team France 11:02 13:42 24:44
29 JEWSH RCC GB 11:10 13:34 24:44
31 LAUDY RCC GB 12:15 12:41 24:56
32 DEE RCC GB 12:02 13:04 25:06
33 dYnkYn CanardPC Racing Suisse 15:58 09:52 25:50
34 CROCK RCC GB 12:41 13:53 26:34
35 FROGGY RCC GB 13:30 13:07 26:37
36 masterdragon Icy Canuks Canada 10:37 17:53 28:30
#VALEUR ! gazza52 France 09:54 ABANDON ABANDON
#VALEUR ! Haplo92 France 10:37 ABANDON ABANDON
#VALEUR ! Koski Spain 11:02 ABANDON ABANDON
#VALEUR ! Chien Fou 45-22-75 occitania 11:30 ABANDON ABANDON
#VALEUR ! Plateau Solo France 16:37 ABANDON ABANDON
#VALEUR ! Bandit Icy Canuks Canada 06:33 08:16 Disqualifié
#VALEUR ! Ptolemy Icy Canuks Canada 06:49 08:06 Disqualifié

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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 06 Avr 2015 12:05 #65

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WORLD RALLYMAN CUP 2015

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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 06 Avr 2015 16:50 #66

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Rallye d'Argentine, 1ère étape :

POSITION LEADER ON DASHBOARD FOR :

POSITION LEADER SUR TABLEAU DE BORD POUR :

1. Petijony

2. Alex Stein

3. Maribricole
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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 06 Avr 2015 18:14 #67

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Merci JC, tu as raison c'est bien ma 1ère victoire, très surpris, je n'y pensais pas !!!!!!!!!!
En espérant que ce ne sera pas la seule, enfin je ferai tout pour !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A bientôt en Argentine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 07 Avr 2015 01:42 #68

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Disqualification of 2 Icy Canuk Drivers.

It is unfortunate that there is not direct communication with the drivers. We have just been made aware of your concerns regarding the times posted.

The four cars Bandit, Ptolomy, Allison and Masterdragon run at the same time and all moves are checked for accuracy. The techniques of the the drivers often mirror each other but there is always the chance element. When these cars run the outcome of the dice tell an interesting story . As good as Bandit and Ptolomy run at the opposite end Allison and especially Masterdragon are bad. In the Mexico Race Bandit and Ptolomy ran near perfiect races. Each move is watched for accuracy.

We run the races unde the published rules. We run for the "fun"of the game. The rules do not require the filing of each move in a race.

After two of our cars were challenged last year we lost a player because the exceptional scores were exceptional. If there were a rule requiring the top 3 cars to file a race report of every move with every dice roll we would gladly comply. Such a rule does not exist.

When a an exception score comes in what makes it and error. There are 3 minute gaps between cars lower in the ranking yet no one sees that as an érror'. Why should such a challenge be rasied based on good times?

When a result is challenged what is the driver expected to do in order to prove the accuracy of the results? This question Was not answered last year and no recommended response was requested in this case.

All we can say is the result is accurate. We play by the rules. We were playing for the fun.

The comment that the rusult is not possible with orange dice is the most shocking. What does a perfect track run actually produce as a time ... using orange dice. If someone exceeds that result then there is a problem.

It is our belief that an injustice has been done by disqualifing our cars. It sets a poor precedent for anyone in the future who has an extra ordinary result. Where is the fun in that?

Team Manager Icy Canuks
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Let it carry you.

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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 07 Avr 2015 11:53 #69

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Hi.

You have to admit that it's very strange that with 2 orange dices, you can go throught 3 rallies with 100% GA without any problem. Statistically it's very very strange.
You can have luck, yes. But you can't have always luck ! :)
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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 07 Avr 2015 16:58 #70

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Thank you for your comment.

May I put these arguments forward in response.

Statistically it is also strange that a series of rolls can be at the other end consistently. It can happen and it does.
It is strange only when it happens. We run two of our cars at a time using the same "planned" trajectories. In several races one car hit every roll without mishap while the other crashes so many times it barely made it over the finish. This happens.

No one has worry about a car which comes out of the gate on 5 dice crashes, then starts again and crashes then two moves later it crashes on 3 dice again. This could be seen as strange also. It is not questioned.

The manner of deducting time saved from time run also makes a low score strange. If a car is having extra ordinary rolls then every roll generates time saved due to throwing all dice. If the number of dice is low each time (3 or 4) then the time saved will consistently grow. Add in the perfect trajectory on each roll and correct decisions to slow then start to establish the perfect rhythm then you have the perfect storm. A near perfect run.

I also run Formula De with advanced rules (far more complex than Rallyman). Even there we see extremes and a car is in the zone and everything is going its way. Yes it is strange when a car runs without mishap and makes super time but it is chance. It is the long run where chance becomes average not in one or two races.

The argument we are making in the disqualification is that we played by the rules in the spirit of the game. Two of our cars burned out and two did extremely well (even to our surprise). Our success is not rewarded with questions on technique or congratulations but with dismay and incredulity.

I will close with reference to your last phrase " you can not always-have luck!". How can ALL be achieved or demonstrated if ,based on a few results, players are disqualified.

Sincerely,
MasterDragon
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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 11 Avr 2015 06:40 #71

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masterdragon écrit:
Disqualification of 2 Icy Canuk Drivers.

It is unfortunate that there is not direct communication with the drivers. We have just been made aware of your concerns regarding the times posted.

Hi Masterdragon and sorry for the late.

Direct communication is too long for me : I have had a discussion with Driz of your team last year, which took few days. During this time other dirvers are waiting to know the start order for next stage. And I think there's no problem to discuss about that for respect for ather players. WRCup takes me time and I don't want increase it for such problems.

I had the same problem last year with Driz : and decided to disqualify him because its results was so incredible : 24 successful time attacks/24 and 21 successful time attack dobble down shift on 21 (1 chance/3 of a loss of control for each !). But it takes few days and Driz didn't want recognize a problem. ANd now I see the same problem in the same team : why are you alone to be so lucky ?

The best thing to do is to post the detail of movements of your drivers : perhaps we will see a problem of roads, direction of the road, or ununderstand rules ...
Some drivers here write their movements for each stage (I saw it for Rom's 42, Pitou, CHien fou ...) because they know they can make a mistake.

Thnak you.
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1er Rallye du Mexique mars 2015 11 Avr 2015 13:20 #72

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On peut avoir de la chance aux dés comme moi au Monte Carlo mais il est impossible d'en avoir tout le temps comme moi sur les autres Rallye :laugh:

De plus il est impossible d'être en GA tout le temps avec les dés orange.
On en a l'exemple avec le Team Red Car qui attaquent beaucoup et qui sont très loin au classement (avec des dés blancs).
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